Comments on: On Whether to Tear Down or Build Up http://ldsliberty.org/on-whether-to-tear-down-or-build-up/ Advancing the cause of liberty in light of the restored gospel. Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:52:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Darren Andrews http://ldsliberty.org/on-whether-to-tear-down-or-build-up/#comment-306 Darren Andrews Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:56:45 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1726#comment-306 Yes, there is a "good" kind of indignation I believe. In the scriptures the Hebrew word translated as jealous (as in God being a jealous God) means "possessed of deep feeling". Deep feelings are godlike, and they can be that of righteous indignation. We need to take our raw emotions and through education and the Spirit learn how to purify them into deep righteous feelings. Yes, there is a “good” kind of indignation I believe. In the scriptures the Hebrew word translated as jealous (as in God being a jealous God) means “possessed of deep feeling”. Deep feelings are godlike, and they can be that of righteous indignation. We need to take our raw emotions and through education and the Spirit learn how to purify them into deep righteous feelings.

]]> By: deborah http://ldsliberty.org/on-whether-to-tear-down-or-build-up/#comment-305 deborah Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:50:24 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1726#comment-305 Darren, I find that anger at times is a good thing. We can be angry yet not sin. The founding fathers were angry. Wild unfocused rage is sinful. Anger that motivates for positive change is a good thing. Heavenly Father organized us with the ability to feel anger. It is the misuse of anger that is wrong. It is GOOD for the people to know the history of what has been done to them and by whom. Knowledge of these things is ths catalyst that will stimulate a righteous anger that motivates them to take focused action. Without it there will simply be two avenues: apathy or wild unfocused rage. Education is extremely important. The Lord said the people perish for lack of knowledge. Darren, I find that anger at times is a good thing. We can be angry yet not sin. The founding fathers were angry. Wild unfocused rage is sinful. Anger that motivates for positive change is a good thing. Heavenly Father organized us with the ability to feel anger. It is the misuse of anger that is wrong. It is GOOD for the people to know the history of what has been done to them and by whom. Knowledge of these things is ths catalyst that will stimulate a righteous anger that motivates them to take focused action. Without it there will simply be two avenues: apathy or wild unfocused rage. Education is extremely important. The Lord said the people perish for lack of knowledge.

]]> By: deborah http://ldsliberty.org/on-whether-to-tear-down-or-build-up/#comment-304 deborah Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:40:00 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1726#comment-304 Unless we emphasize education of our citizens regarding what has been done to them over time by the secret combinations they will not be as committed to working for current causes to protect our liberties. They will, on rhe whole, either remain complacent, or they will simply rant and rave swinging wildly with no reall focus because they have not properly identified the enemy and how chameleon-lke they are having infiltrated tentacles into the highest places of government in lands throughout the world.. D&C 38: 27 Behold, this I have given unto you as a parable, and it is even as I am. I say unto you, be one; and if ye are not one ye are not mine. 28 And again, I say unto you that the enemy in the secret chambers seeketh your lives. 29 Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land. 30 I tell you these things because of your prayers; wherefore, treasure up wisdom in your bosoms, lest the wickedness of men reveal these things unto you by their wickedness, in a manner which shall speak in your ears with a voice louder than that which shall shake the earth; but if ye are prepared ye shall not fear. 31 And that ye might escape the power of the enemy, and be gathered unto me a righteous people, without spot and blameless— Unless we emphasize education of our citizens regarding what has been done to them over time by the secret combinations they will not be as committed to working for current causes to protect our liberties. They will, on rhe whole, either remain complacent, or they will simply rant and rave swinging wildly with no reall focus because they have not properly identified the enemy and how chameleon-lke they are having infiltrated tentacles into the highest places of government in lands throughout the world..

D&C 38:
27 Behold, this I have given unto you as a parable, and it is even as I am. I say unto you, be one; and if ye are not one ye are not mine.
28 And again, I say unto you that the enemy in the secret chambers seeketh your lives.
29 Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land.
30 I tell you these things because of your prayers; wherefore, treasure up wisdom in your bosoms, lest the wickedness of men reveal these things unto you by their wickedness, in a manner which shall speak in your ears with a voice louder than that which shall shake the earth; but if ye are prepared ye shall not fear.
31 And that ye might escape the power of the enemy, and be gathered unto me a righteous people, without spot and blameless—

]]> By: Alex http://ldsliberty.org/on-whether-to-tear-down-or-build-up/#comment-303 Alex Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:02:29 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1726#comment-303 Fully agree with Darren. Fully agree with Darren.

]]> By: Darren Andrews http://ldsliberty.org/on-whether-to-tear-down-or-build-up/#comment-302 Darren Andrews Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:14:47 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1726#comment-302 Yes, I think absolutely everyone agrees that both a knowledge of philosophy and conspiracy are necessary and that the principles of good government should of course be our foundation. It's not either/or - and I do not think anyone has said it should be. I certainly studied both as I became aware of our "awful situation", and my foundation has always been upon the principles. The Book of Mormon clearly states that becoming aware of these conspiratorial forces can (and should) "awaken" us. That is an important part. The person who ONLY understands the principles but not the forces arrayed against him will not be in a position to defend those principles as well as someone who does understand the nature of the forces arrayed against those just and holy principles. On the other hand, one who is steeped in a knowledge of conspiracy but understands not the sound principles of government is subject to being deceived in what he supports in replacement of such machinations, and also is treading a path where only negative thoughts exist in his heart and mind... In the Church we rightly teach of the Adversary but we do not dwell upon him - I take this to mean that we should spend most of our effort and time on the positive, and it is just so with politics. Having said that, I believe there is a tendency to the extremes - in the Church many people ignore or avoid understanding the Adversary at all; and in politics some people can spend all their time studying and tearing down conspiracy... I find judgmentalism a good measure - or the lack thereof. Somehow we must discern wickedness but not hate. When that begins to happen then we need to put more focus on the positive. Let's face it, when the conspiracy is fully understood there is a great deal of temptation to be enraged. Faith, doctrine and sound principles and philosophy must be our home. Yes, I think absolutely everyone agrees that both a knowledge of philosophy and conspiracy are necessary and that the principles of good government should of course be our foundation.

It’s not either/or – and I do not think anyone has said it should be.

I certainly studied both as I became aware of our “awful situation”, and my foundation has always been upon the principles.

The Book of Mormon clearly states that becoming aware of these conspiratorial forces can (and should) “awaken” us. That is an important part. The person who ONLY understands the principles but not the forces arrayed against him will not be in a position to defend those principles as well as someone who does understand the nature of the forces arrayed against those just and holy principles. On the other hand, one who is steeped in a knowledge of conspiracy but understands not the sound principles of government is subject to being deceived in what he supports in replacement of such machinations, and also is treading a path where only negative thoughts exist in his heart and mind…

In the Church we rightly teach of the Adversary but we do not dwell upon him – I take this to mean that we should spend most of our effort and time on the positive, and it is just so with politics.

Having said that, I believe there is a tendency to the extremes – in the Church many people ignore or avoid understanding the Adversary at all; and in politics some people can spend all their time studying and tearing down conspiracy…

I find judgmentalism a good measure – or the lack thereof. Somehow we must discern wickedness but not hate. When that begins to happen then we need to put more focus on the positive. Let’s face it, when the conspiracy is fully understood there is a great deal of temptation to be enraged. Faith, doctrine and sound principles and philosophy must be our home.

]]> By: Rick Carling http://ldsliberty.org/on-whether-to-tear-down-or-build-up/#comment-301 Rick Carling Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:43:55 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1726#comment-301 A good article, but the problem I see with it is at the very beginning. I read Salcido's "Philosophy vs. Conspiracy" and do not see where it creates a division between Paine and Adams. If anything, Salcido's article was consistent with exactly what Connor is saying here. A good article, but the problem I see with it is at the very beginning. I read Salcido’s “Philosophy vs. Conspiracy” and do not see where it creates a division between Paine and Adams. If anything, Salcido’s article was consistent with exactly what Connor is saying here.

]]> By: Skyler Collins http://ldsliberty.org/on-whether-to-tear-down-or-build-up/#comment-300 Skyler Collins Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:29:40 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1726#comment-300 This is a very good response. I especially like the angle about tearing down and building up. Thanks Connor! This is a very good response. I especially like the angle about tearing down and building up. Thanks Connor!

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