Episode #15 — Satan’s War on Agency

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Episode #15 — Satan's War on Agency

The episode where Shiloh and Ben discuss the nature and definition of agency and of the principles that existed in the pre-mortal realm prior to and after the War in Heaven. Was the War in Heaven fought over agency? Or was it over consequence? Is there a difference? Does it matter? We tackle a few of these question and many more as we further develop and understand the prophetic declaration from Ezra Taft Benson that the War in Heaven never ended and that it is still raging today as fervently as it was in the pre-mortal realm.

Many thanks to Anne Frost for her editing prowess.

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  1. I have very much enjoyed listening to your podcasts on my way to work. I don’t remember if this was the episode that triggered this comment or not. You guys have touched on it several times in different episodes. I love how you have compared God’s Power/Honor in contrast to Satan’s power where God’s power is through non-compulsory means and Satan’s is through compulsion. I think you are “spot-on”.

    Whenever you say that God has never used compulsion it has made me wonder how you describe several different experiences. 1) Christ cleansed the temple (twice). 2) Satan and 1/3 of the hosts of heaven were cast down by the power of the Christ. 3) The many times where Satan is commanded to depart and is made to comply.

    On the surface, these experiences (and probably others) seem to imply that at some point there is compulsion/force. One of the doctrines of the gospel is that there is a day of judgement. I understand that we believe that we will in large part judge ourself. That we wouldn’t be comfortable in the presence of God and so will self-select the glory we are willing to accept. But there does seem to be some points in time/eternity which imply that the Lord has either had enough or that it is now time to move on and that in order to do that, there have to be some changes made.

    Anyway, I was curious to know your take on these things. Keep up the great work. I’ve enjoyed your insights. It has given me much to think on.

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